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John and Judas

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GRM 70.1

The Gospel as revealed to me

Quotation

70.1 I see Jesus going towards the little low white house in the middle of the olive-grove. A young man greets Him. He seems to come from there, because he is holding in his hands pruning and hoeing tools.

«God be with You, Rabbi: Your disciple John came, and he just left to come and meet You.»

«How long ago?»

«Not long, he has just passed that path. We thought You were coming from Bethany…»

Jesus starts walking very fast, He goes round the cliff, He sees John almost running down towards the town and calls him.

The disciple turns around and with his face brightened with joy, he shouts: «Oh! My Master!» and he starts running back.

Jesus receives him with His arms wide open and they embrace each other affectionately.

«I was coming to look for You… We thought You had been to Bethany, as You told us.»

«Yes, I wanted to go. I must start evangelising also the surroundings of Jerusalem. But I stayed in town… to teach a new disciple.»

«Everything You do is well done, Master. And is always successful. See? Even now we met very soon.»

Detail

Jesus explains to John that he has been detained in Jerusalem to instruct a new disciple.

GRM 70.4

The Gospel as revealed to me

Quotation

70.4 They are quiet for a few moments, then John carries on speaking. «Master, I know Annas and Caiaphas. My family has been on business relations with them, and when I came to Judaea to see John, I used to come to the Temple, and they were good to the son of Zebedee. My father always sends them the best fish. That is the custom, You know? If you want them to be friendly and to continue so, you must do that…»

«I know.» Jesus is serious.

«Well, if You wish, I will speak to the High Priest about You. And… if You want, I know a man who is on business terms with my father. He is a rich fish merchant. He has a lovely big house near the Hippicus Tower, because they are very rich people, but they are also very good. You would be more comfortable and You would not get so tired. To come here, You have to come through the suburb of Ophel, which is so wild and always full of donkeys and quarrelsome boys.»

«No, John. Thank you. But I am alright here. See how much peace there is? I told also the other disciple who made the same suggestion. He said: “To enjoy a higher reputation”.»

«I mentioned it that You might not get so tired.»

«I do not get tired. I will walk so much, and I will never tire. Do you know what tires Me? Indifference. Oh! What a burden it is! It is like carrying a weight on your heart.»

«I love You, Jesus.»

«Yes, and you comfort Me. I love you so much, John, and I always will, because you will never betray Me.»

«Betray You! Oh!»

«And yet there will be many who will betray Me…»

GRM 70.5

The Gospel as revealed to me

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70.5 John, listen. I told you that I stayed here to teach a new disciple. He is a young Jew, educated and well known.»

«Well, then. You will have to work much less with him than You have to with us, Master. I am glad that You have someone who is more capable than we are.»

«Do you think I will work less?»

«Yes, if he is less ignorant than we are, he will understand You better, and serve You better, especially if he loves You.»

«What you say is right. But love is not proportionate to education or formation. A virgin loves with all the strength of her first love. That applies also to the virginity of mind. And the beloved penetrates and is more deeply impressed on a virgin heart and a virgin mind, rather than on hearts and minds imbued with other loves. But if God wants… Listen, John. I would ask you to be friendly with him. My heart shudders at the thought of putting you, an unshorn lamb, near the expert in life. But it subsides considering that you may well be a lamb, but you are also an eagle, and if the expert will endeavour to make you touch the ground, which is always muddy, the soil of good human sense, with a stroke of your wings, you will be able to free yourself and desire only the clear blue sky and the sun. That is why I ask you to remain as you are and be friendly to the new disciple, inspiring him with your love, because he will not be loved very much by Simon Peter and the others…»

«Oh! Master! Are You not sufficient?»

«I am the Master. Not everything will be said to Me. You are a companion, a little younger, to whom it will be easier for him to unbosom himself. I am not suggesting you should repeat to Me what he tells you. I detest spies and traitors. But I ask you to evangelise him with your faith, your charity, your purity, John. It is a land defiled by stagnant waters. It must be dried up by the sun of love, purified by the integrity of thoughts, desires and deeds, and cultivated with faith. You can do that.»

«If You say I can… Yes! If You say I can do that, I will do it. For Your sake…»

«Thank you, John.»

GRM 70.6

The Gospel as revealed to me

Quotation

«Master, You mentioned Simon Peter. And that reminded me of something I should have told You immediately, but the joy of listening to You made me forget about it. When we went back to Capernaum after Pentecost, we found the usual amount of money from that unknown person. The boy had taken it to my mother. I gave it to Peter, and he handed it back to me, saying I should use some of it on my way back and in my stay at Doco and I should bring You the rest, for whatever need of Yours… because also Peter thought this place might not be comfortable… but You say it is… I took only two coins for two poor people I met near Ephraim. For the rest, I lived with what my mother had given me and what I was given by some good people to whom I preached Your Name. Here is the purse.»

«We will give the money to the poor tomorrow. So Judas also will be acquainted with our custom.»

«Has Your cousin come? How was he so quick? He was at Nazareth and he did not tell me he was leaving…»

«No. Judas is the new disciple. He comes from Kerioth. But you saw him at Passover, here, the evening I cured Simon. He was with Thomas.»

«Ah! It’s him?» John is a little perplexed.

«Yes, it is he.»

GRM 70.8-9

The Gospel as revealed to me

Quotation

70.8 Then Jesus says:

«Another comparison between My John and another disciple. A comparison that makes the figure of My beloved disciple clearer and clearer.

He is the one who divests himself also of his own way of thinking and judging, in order to be “the disciple”. He is the one who gives himself without wishing to withhold even a particle of himself, as his self was before becoming a disciple. Judas is the one who does not want to divest himself of himself. His donation is therefore unreal. He carries with himself his ego diseased with pride, sensuality and greed. He maintains his way of thinking. And he thus counteracts the effect of the donation and of Grace.

Judas: the first of all the apostles who failed. And they are so many! John: the first of those who become victims out of love for Me. And you are one of them.

My Mother and I are the sublime Victims. It is difficult to reach us, in fact it is impossible, because our sacrifice was of total bitterness. But My John! He is the victim that all My lovers can imitate: virgins, martyrs, confessors, evangelisers, servants of God and of the Mother of God, devoted to activity or contemplation: he is an example for everyone. He is the one who loves.

Note their different ways of reasoning. Judas investigates, quibbles, is obstinate, even when he pretends to give in, he still has mental reservations. John feels he is nothing, he accepts everything, he does not ask for reasons, he is satisfied with making Me happy. That is the example.

70.9 And did you not feel completely peaceful before his simple dear love? Oh! My John! And My little John, whom I want to be more and more like My beloved. Accept everything, always saying as the apostle: “Everything You do, is well done, Master”, in order to deserve to always hear Me say to you: “You are My loving peace”. I need comfort as well, Mary. Give Me it. My Heart for your rest.»

Detail

Dictation in connection with EMV 70.1-6

GRM 71.3-4

The Gospel as revealed to me

Quotation

John has seen the Master, and he points Him out to Simon. They make haste. John and the Master kiss each other. Simon, instead, throws himself at Jesus’ feet and kisses them, exclaiming: «Glory to my Saviour! Bless Your servant that his actions may be holy in the eyes of God and that I may glorify Him and bless Him for giving You to me.»

Jesus places His hand on Simon’s head: «Yes, I bless you to thank you for your work. Get up, Simon. This is John, and this is Simon: here is My last disciple. He also wants to follow the Truth. He is therefore a brother for you all.»

They greet each other: the two Judaeans inquisitively, John heartily.

«Are you tired, Simon?» asks Jesus.

«No, Master. With my health I have recovered a vitality I never felt before.»

«And I know you make good use of it. I have spoken to many people and they all told Me that you have already instructed them about the Messiah.»

Simon smiles happily. «Also last night I spoke of You to one who is an honest Israelite. I hope You will meet him one day. I would like to take You to him.»

«That is quite possible.»

Judas joins in the conversation: «Master, You promised to come with me, in Judaea.»

«And I will. Simon will continue to teach the people on My coming. The time is short, My dear friends, and the people are so many.

71.4 I will now go with Simon. You two will come and meet Me this evening on the road to the Mount of Olives and we will give money to the poor. Go now.»

Detail

Jesus is with Judas, and Simon the Zealot and John join him.

GRM 72.1-6

The Gospel as revealed to me

Quotation

72.1 I see, early in the morning, Jesus, Who at the same Gate meets His disciples Simon and Judas. John is already with Jesus. And I hear Him say: «My friends, I ask you to come with Me through Judaea. If it is not too much for you, particularly for you, Simon.»

«Why, Master?»

«It is hard to walk on the Judaean mountains… and perhaps it will be even more painful for you to meet someone who harmed you.»

«As far as the road is concerned, I wish to assure You, once again, that after You healed me, I feel stronger than a young man and no work is heavy for me, also because it is done for You, and now, with You. With regards to meeting people who harmed me, there is no harsh resentment or feeling in Simon’s heart, since he became Yours. Hatred has gone together with the scales of the disease. And believe me, I cannot tell You whether You worked a greater miracle in healing my corroded flesh or my soul consumed by hatred. I do not think I am wrong in saying the latter miracle was the greater. A wound of the soul heals less easily… and You healed me in one second. That is a miracle. Because one does not recover all of a sudden, even if one wants to with all one’s strength and a man does not get rid of a bad moral habit, if You do not destroy that habit with Your sanctifying will power.»

«Your judgement, is correct.»

72.2

«Why do You not do that with everyone?» asks Judas, somewhat resentful.

«But He does, Judas. Why do you speak like that to the Master? Do you not feel you have changed since you have been in contact with Him? Previously, I was a disciple of John the Baptist. But I have found myself completely changed since He said to me: “Come”.» John, who in general very seldom interferes, and never does in the presence of the Master, this time cannot keep quiet. Kind and loving, he lays one hand on Judas’ arm as if to calm him down and he speaks to him anxiously and persuasively. He then realises he has spoken before Jesus, he blushes and says: «Forgive me, Master, I spoke in Your stead, but I wanted… I did not want Judas to grieve You.»

«Yes, John. But he did not grieve Me as My disciple. When he is My disciple, then, if he persists in his way of thinking, he will grieve Me.

72.3

It grieves Me only to notice how much man has been corrupted by Satan who perverts his thoughts. All men, you know! The thoughts of all of you have been misled by him! But the day will come, when you will have the Strength and the Grace of God, you will have Wisdom with His Spirit… you will then have everything to enable you to judge rightly.»

«And will we all judge rightly.»

«No, Judas.»

«But are You referring to us, disciples, or to all men?»

«I refer firstly to you, and to all the others. When the time comes, the Master will nominate His workers and send them all over the world…»

«Are You not doing that already?»

«For the time being, I use you only to say: “The Messiah is here. Come to Him”. Later I will make you capable of preaching in My name, of working miracles in My name…»

«Oh! Also miracles?»

«Yes, on bodies and on souls.»

«Oh! How they will admire us, then!» Judas is overjoyed at the thought.

72.4

«But, then, we shall not be with the Master… and I will always be afraid to do with my human capacity what comes only from God» says John, and he looks thoughtfully and somewhat sadly at Jesus.

«John, if the Master will allow me, I would like to tell you what I think» says Simon.

«Yes, tell John. I want you to advise one another.»

«Do You already know it is advice?»

Jesus smiles and is quiet.

«Well, I tell you, John, that you must not, we must not be afraid. Let us rest upon His wisdom of a holy Master and upon His promise. If He says: “I will send you”, it means that He knows that He can send us without any fear that we may do harm to Him or to ourselves, that is to the cause of God, that is so dear to each of us, like a newly-wed bride. If He promises to dress our intellectual and spiritual misery with the brightness of the power His Father gives Him for us, we must be certain that He will do so and that we will be successful, not by ourselves, but through His mercy. All this will most certainly happen, providing our deeds are free from pride and human ambitions. I think that if we contaminate our mission, which is entirely a spiritual one, with earthly ingredients, then also Christ’s promise will no longer stand. Not because of any inability on His part, but because we shall strangle such ability with the rope of pride.

72.5

I do not know whether I have made myself understood.»

«You have spoken very clearly. I am wrong. But you know… I think that after all, to wish to be admired as the Messiah’s disciples, so close to Him as to deserve to do what He does, is the same as wishing to increase even more the powerful figure of Christ among people. Praise to the Master Who has such disciples, that is what I mean» answers Judas.

«What you say is not entirely wrong. But… see, Judas. I come from a caste which is persecuted because… because what and how the Messiah should be is misunderstood. Yes. If we had waited for Him with the correct vision of His being, we would not have fallen into errors, which are blasphemy against the Truth and a rebellion against the Law of Rome, so that we have been punished both by God and by Rome. We fancied Christ as a conqueror who would free Israel, as a new Maccabaeus, greater than the great Judas… Only that. And why? Because rather than have regard to the interest of God we took care of our own interests: of the fatherland and of the people. Oh! The interests of the fatherland are most certainly sacred. But what are they when compared to the eternal Heavens? In the long hours of persecution, first, and then of isolation, when as a fugitive, I was compelled to hide in the dens of wild beasts, sharing food and a bed with them, to escape Roman power and above all the impeachments of false friends; or when, waiting for death I was already tasting the savour of the sepulchre, in the cave of a leper, how much did I meditate, and how much did I see: I saw the figure of the Messiah… Yours, my humble and good Master, Yours, Master and King of the Spirit, Yours, O Christ, Son of the Father, leading to the Father, and not to the royal palaces of dust, nor to the deities of mud. You… Oh! It is easy for me to follow You… Because, forgive my daring, which avows itself to be correct, because I see You as I thought of You, I recognise You, I recognised You at once. No, it was not a question of meeting You, but of recognising One whom my soul had already met…»

«That is why I called you… and that is why I am taking you with Me, now, in this first journey of Mine in Judaea.

72.6

I want you to complete your recognition… and I want also these, whom age makes less capable of reaching the Truth by means of deep meditation, I want them to know how their Master has come to this hour… You will understand later. There is David’s Tower. The Eastern Gate is near.»

«Are we going out through it?»

«Yes, Judas. We are going to Bethlehem first. Where I was born… You ought to know… to tell the others. That also is part of the knowledge of the Messiah and of the Scriptures. You will find prophecies written in things not as prophecies but as history. Let us go around Herod’s houses…»

«The old, wicked, lustful fox.»

«Do not judge. There is God, Who judges. Let us go along the path through these vegetable gardens. We will stop under the shade of a tree, near some hospitable house, until it cools down. We will then go on our way.»

The vision ends.

Detail

Simon the Zealot, Judas and John have a conversation together about the miracles Jesus works on hearts and how Christ transforms them inwardly (72.1-2). Then the conversation turns to sending the disciples on mission, with John saddened at having to leave the Master, and Judas dreaming of being able to perform miracles. Simon the Zealot humbly gives his point of view and speaks of his own experience as a leper (72.3-4).

GRM 73.8-9

The Gospel as revealed to me

Quotation

Simon asks: «Where are we going now, Master?»

«Come with Me, I know a place.»

«But if You have never been here after You left, how can You know?» asks Judas, still angry.

«I know. It is not a beautiful place. But I have been there before. It is not in Bethlehem… it is a little outside… Let us turn this way.»

Jesus is in front, followed by Simon, then Judas and John is last…

73.9 In the silence, broken only by the rustling of their sandals on the small grains of gravel of the path, someone sobbing can be heard.

«Who is crying?» asks Jesus turning around.

And Judas: «It’s John. He has been frightened.»

«No, I was not frightened. I had already laid my hand on the knife under my belt… Then I remembered the words You keep repeating: “Do not kill, forgive”.»

«Why are you crying, then?» asks Judas.

«Because I suffer seeing that the world does not love Jesus. They do not know Him, and they do not want to know Him. Oh! It is such a pain! As if someone tore my heart with burning thorns. As if I had seen someone treading on my mother or spitting upon my father’s face… Even worse… As if I had seen Roman horses eating in the Holy Ark and resting in the Holy of Holies.»

«Do not cry, My dear John. You shall say it for this present time and for endless times in future: “He was the Light and He came to enlighten darkness; but darkness did not know Him. He came to the world that had been made for Him, but the world did not know Him. He came to His own town, to His domain, but His own people did not accept Him”. Oh! Do not cry like that!»

«That does not happen in Galilee!» says John sighing.

«Well, not even in Judaea» says Judas. «Jerusalem is the capital and three days ago it sang hosannas to You, Messiah! You cannot judge from this place of coarse peasants, shepherds and market gardeners. Also the Galileans, mind you, are not all good. After all, where did Judas, the false Messiah, come from? They said…»

«That is enough, Judas. There is no use in getting angry. I am calm. Be calm, too.»

Detail

jesus has just been chased out of a house in Bethlehem.

GRM 74.2

The Gospel as revealed to me

Quotation

«Do not contradict me if I should say something,… something… which is not true.»

«What do you mean? Why tell lies? I am the Truth and I want no lies in Me or around Me.»

«Oh! I will only tell half lies. I will say that we are all coming back from remote places, from Egypt for instance, and that we are seeking news of dear friends. I will say that we are Judaeans coming back from exile. After all, there is some truth in everything, and I will be speaking, and… one lie more, one lie less…»

«But Judas! Why deceive?»

«Never mind, Master! The world lives on deceit. And at times deceit is a necessity. Well: to make You happy, I will only say that we are coming from far and that we are Judaeans. Which is true for three out of four of us. And you, John, please do not speak at all. You would give yourself away.»

«I will be quiet.»

Detail

Judas wants to know more about the massacre of the Innocents and Anne, since Jesus wants to go there. So he asks Christ to let him tell half lies and asks John to keep quiet.

GRM 77.3

The Gospel as revealed to me

Quotation

«As usual. I am wrong.»

«No, Judas. You have a practical sense, you said so yourself.»

«Oh! but with Jesus!… Also Simon Peter was full of practical sense, but now!… You, too, Judas, will become like him. You have only been with the Master a short time, we have been longer with Him, and we are already better» says John who is always kind and conciliatory.

«He did not want me. Otherwise I would have been His since Passover.» Judas is really bad-tempered today.

Detail

Judas has just had a conversation with Jesus and Simon the Zealot. He grumbles at the end, because he wasn't right, and says: